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support -20% · proof of experiencemoderated to 0%; argued down by 0%
by anonymous on 2005-06-24 19:52:14i once read an excerpt from the muslim philosopher Al Gazhali on the gradual unfoldment of our rational and moral sense. just as the child learns to see the rational truth in logical facts and statements, so does the man eventually grow to experience the god within. until then, why debate about it? create! :) -
oppose 100% · Re: proof of experiencemoderated to 100%; argued down by 0%
by metric on 2005-06-24 23:21:35
Once your sense of morals begins to outway rational truth and logical facts you are no longer growing up, you are degrading (in a logical sense). At that point, your feelings and emotions mean more to you than what you can physically prove.
Experience is usually a good thing, but experience with believing in your own imagination does no one good. I would go so far as to say it does harm when your imagination, inevitably, disagrees with someone else's.
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support 100% · Descartes Logicmoderated to 100%; argued down by 0%
by vadersamuel on 2005-09-25 11:22:04If im not wrong, Descarte, the french rationalist philosopher argued that our knowledge of eternity, of the immutable and of a divine being and our very acceptance that such a possibility exists proves there IS God. Since nothing other than a divine being could have placed the idea of itself in man. -
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by anonymous on 2005-09-28 01:20:21I believe in God. Unfortunately this thread of thinking is flawed on the point that nothing other than a divine beling could have place the idea of itself in man. Why? Man knows he is mortal. In some primal way, we all understand we are some day going to die, at least in the physical sense that we watch others die. Because man can think, and is aware of himself, he cannot easily imagine the void of being dead, of not being in some way conscious or alive. Believe in a higher deity is the next level up. Descartes is suggesting man couldn't have come up with the idea of God unless he/it actually exists. I think Descartes didn't give Man's initrinsic ability to reason and extrapolate the credit it deserves. Its a bad argument to use on the existance of God. Using it weakens that side of the debate.
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title: 'Re: Descartes Logic'
text: 'I believe in God. Unfortunately this thread of thinking is flawed on the point that nothing other than a divine beling could have place the idea of itself in man. Why? Man knows he is mortal. In some primal way, we all understand we are some day going to die, at least in the physical sense that we watch others die. Because man can think, and is aware of himself, he cannot easily imagine the void of being dead, of not being in some way conscious or alive. Believe in a higher deity is the next level up. Descartes is suggesting man couldn't have come up with the idea of God unless he/it actually exists. I think Descartes didn't give Man's initrinsic ability to reason and extrapolate the credit it deserves. Its a bad argument to use on the existance of God. Using it weakens that side of the debate.'
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